February 25, 2005

Unexpected gay-bashing

Choire Sicha, October 21, 2003, on rumours that Condi Rice is gay:

This pisses me off but good. The rumors of lesbianism are one thing, whatever, fuck every man who thinks she must be a dyke because she's a strong (if morally reprehensible) woman.

Choire Sicha, February 25, 2005, on Condi Rice's sexuality:

If that "full self" business were the case, we'd probably expect to see her in some Birkenstocks and "comfy" pants.

Posted by Felix at 05:45 PM GMT

ummmm. huh? maybe when/if she has a 'wardrobe malfunction' (i.e: hidden remote audio device, or gaudy nipple ring, or audio device disguised as nipple ring...) this will have some meaning?

Posted by: bafc23 on February 26, 2005 12:42 AM

Choire's politics are borderline-wacko and Wonkette is almost indescribably tedious, but Choire has integrity and I like him. I don't think anyone should expect consistency between Choire's humor writing and his serious writing.

To some extent this is Choire's fault, because he uses the same name for his serious work and for the humorous persona he play-acts in some of his humor writing. He needs a pen name. Or if he has one already, he needs a third pen name.

Posted by: Sterling on February 26, 2005 03:48 AM

Re: the pen name, I suggest "Thom Wulff".

Posted by: Sterling on February 26, 2005 03:51 AM

So it's OK to "out" someone without any real reason to believe they're gay, just so long as you're "being humourous"? Personally, I think "all lesbians wear Birkenstocks" is old and weak in terms of humour, and that Choire can do, has done and should do better much better than that on a regular basis. I'm not looking for consistency between writing: I'm looking for something more important. If the first quote is what Choire believes, and the second quote is what Choire writes when he's being humourous, that's simple hypocrisy. No matter what name he uses.

Posted by: Felix on February 26, 2005 04:28 AM

You think Choire is "outing" Condi? I thought everybody had heard those rumors.

Yeah, the comfortable shoes jokes are shopworn, but what isn't shopworn or hackneyed about Wonkette? The sole original moment on the blog was when Cox got shitfaced and touchy-feely with that Capitol Hill prostitute and the pics circulated. Wonkette sucks because Ana Marie Cox comes off as the kind of cynical, one-note, boozing burnout who ought to be the legislative director for a freshman congressman from Nebraska.

Wonkette gets about the same amount of visits as Memefirst, for crying out loud, and Memefirst isn't much more than a sporadically updated circle-jerk clusterfuck. Hey Stefan, let's make that the site description: "MEMEFIRST - A Sporadically Updated Circle-Jerk Clusterfuck."

Choire doesn't know DC, so the idea of him covering Cox's shortfall is ill-conceived. All he can muster is his New York lefty rage against the right, and so his jokes are crude blunt things that lack the grace of his New York writing. You're charging hypocrisy when the problem is really that the material is outside Choire's sphere. I think that when Choire makes an observation about gay issues or Manhattan living, it carries weight. But when Choire writes a joke about national politics, I don't pay too much attention.

I don't think Nick even knows D.C. well enough to decide what Wonkette ought to be, and if he's looking for guidance from Cox, well, she doesn't strike me as a long-term planner. Plus he made the error of personalizing the blog title, so he's basically stuck with her.

Anyway, I'm beginning to sober up from the night's excesses right about now and I'll surely regret everything I've written here come the morning. So allow me to apologize in advance.

Posted by: Sterling on February 26, 2005 06:10 AM

Sterling: could you be any more hott for Cox? (All puns strictly bonus). Doesn't this exchange need some eighth-grade euphemism from Michelle? In honor of the new title, I'm jerkin' whilst I'm typin'.

Posted by: Mr. 99th Percentile on February 26, 2005 07:16 AM

Golly Felix, who appointed you "Enforcer of Obesiance to the Gay Community"? You're sooo prissy.

In fact I have outed you as gay in a recent comment stream, mostly in the name of humour. If you're not gay, you clearly WANT to be. So if I do it, yes, of course it is OK.

Posted by: eurof on February 26, 2005 08:45 AM

Eurof, ever since I first became aware of your existence I have tried to ape your behaviour and become more like you on the simple and indisputable grounds that if you do it, yes, of course it is NOT OK. Now you are greatly confusing me.

Posted by: Felix on February 26, 2005 03:18 PM

Eighth grade? I thought this was a fourth grade purlieus. Since Spoofter is already taken, and Sterling's just justified being dubbed wanker with his proposed new title, I'll have to think of some new ones.

99, you better be typing with TWO hands you MoFo!

Posted by: michelle on February 26, 2005 03:39 PM

Moxie has the following lyric up on her site, regarding Condi's choice in footwear:

"Those boots were made for walkin'
and that's just what they'll do
one of these days these boots
are gonna walk all over EU."

She credits Aaron the Rantblogger for them.

Posted by: Sterling on February 26, 2005 04:39 PM

Felix, how is Choire's comment on Wonkette "outing" Condi, and not making fun of everyone else "outing" Condi?

Posted by: mike on February 26, 2005 05:14 PM

What stats are you looking at, Sterling? If I compare these with these, I find that MemeFirst -- even with the Paris Hilton boost -- has had 264,817 pageviews in February. Wonkette has had 1,816,636. We seem to get about 3,000 visits a day; Wonkette gets about 50,000 visits a day.

Posted by: Felix on February 27, 2005 12:09 AM

Ah, I misread this page at Nick's site. I though "Wonkette" sat at the top of its graph, instead it sits at the bottom. So it looked to my eye like Wonkette had Screenhead's numbers, which are in the same ballpark as Memefirst's.

Wonkette still sucks, though.

Posted by: Sterling on February 27, 2005 09:05 AM

Unexpected? The Left long ago embraced anti-Semitism, now it's embracing homophobia (witness nefarious homo Jeff Gannon)

Posted by: jeff on March 6, 2005 10:12 PM